SneakyDave Posted June 30, 2016 Posted June 30, 2016 Copied from chat. Is he right? Wrong? Delusional? Admin forums will always be around, always have an allure to us types that have dreams of having great social communities of our favorite subjects. Unfortunately, the new age of internet users aren't looking for this type of social experience. They want a place where you log into a site with your phone number. They want instant gratification. They don't want to have to wait for an email to be verified. They don't want to have be be suspected of spam with every new post they make, if they can even found out how to create a "post", or even sign in. They will choose shiny things over quality content. Everybody knows this, I don't think anybody has an answer. It's nobody's fault and everybody's fault. Forums are what blogs started to become 10 years ago. We just wait until the big asteroid hits and wipes us all out. lol (Oldest chats are on the bottom) ---------------- SneakyDave: The Tao of sheldon has spoken, lol 17 minutes ago Sandyman: hey @Sheldon what's the largest community you've ever built, just curious. Today at 9:25 PM Sheldon: I wouldn't want anyone's site hindered due to my name being in any staff list. Today at 7:24 PM Sheldon: .... and even then, I'd lean towards doubtful. Today at 7:23 PM Sheldon: @Paul , appreciate it, but I'll only even consider work on Flarum or XF.... it's s comfort thing. Today at 7:19 PM tracy perry: Bid's haven't closed yet.. @Sandyman, but I did get some 5 Vegas Triple A's in... they are a "knock you on your ass" strength. Today at 7:15 PM Sheldon: Then I got blasted for selling. Hahahhahah. Fuck you too. Lololl Today at 7:13 PM Sheldon: It's not a waste. I've already proven to myself what I can do. I made and sold everything I created personally from bottom up. Those that purchased, couldn't carry out what I wad doing... either their time or desire in the way. Today at 7:13 PM Dakota: Sheldon, you've obviously got ideas, and good ones. It's a shame to waste them, no? Today at 7:11 PM Sheldon: People might join.... then the "clique" would appear. I certainly don't feel the need to call them out on their lies and bullshit daily. Today at 7:11 PM Sheldon: I'm an asshole. No one will join anything my name is attached to. I don't know that I have the time, much less desire. Today at 7:10 PM Dakota: Just come join the club and show us all how it's done, Sheldon ;) Today at 7:09 PM Paul: You wanna be admin on Admin-Hub @Sheldon ? Today at 7:08 PM Sheldon: Sorry for the rant @SneakyDave , didn't expect to go that long. Hah. You can copt that into a thread for discussion of you'd like. Too hard on my phone. Today at 7:05 PM Sheldon: You old school admins need to wake up. You're driving the wedge between forums and new users with your archaic bullshit. Get over yourselves. Your not fucking gods because you have a fucking domain and a fucking database. Get passed that, you might start seeing a change. Today at 7:04 PM Sheldon: I love BASH. I'll be here until it folds, or @SneakyDave no longer owns it. Here, I can say what I want or post what I want (sans ignorant shit like family members, child porn, etc...) I don't care who reads what I say, as I still know I can voice my opinion. Today at 7:02 PM Sheldon: Open and closing threads on a whim? Denying links to certain sites? Fuck that. Eat my censored dick. Today at 7:01 PM Sheldon: "Moderating", 2000ish. No one wants to have someone looking over their shoulder when they post. Fuck you and your locked topic because it's "off-topic" in the fucking off topic section. Today at 7:00 PM Sheldon: They will continue to die until you do something to snap out of your current bullshit antics. Today at 6:59 PM Sheldon: This isn't 2000 dipshits. Your big board means two dicks right about now. Should have sold when you had the chance. Today at 6:58 PM Sheldon: Forums are dying, and these old-school forum admins are driving that. Today at 6:58 PM Sheldon: Need all this info.... hah. Facebook has a billion more users, yet the majority of fucksticks running forums want more info to register. Lolol. Okay. Today at 6:57 PM Sheldon: All these "demands" upon registration? Eat a dick. Not happening. They spend more than 20 seconds for that shit, it's done. They will leave. Today at 6:56 PM Sheldon: Not 300 fucking categories for you to browse through. No one has time for that bullshit. Today at 6:55 PM Sheldon: People want to get in, get out. The demand is to see what's going on in threads first. Today at 6:55 PM Sheldon: The days of 100 forums, 50 subforums is over. Today at 6:54 PM Sheldon: Ease of use is #1 priority. Today at 6:54 PM Sheldon: You simply cannot stay a site of you aren't willing to put in zero time or effort. Today at 6:54 PM Sheldon: Or, you could say "Fuck It", roll out drastic shit, huge ideas, spend your time on your site, be vocal, mix up what everyone thinks works (cause it doesn't)... and go at it. Why open any site if you aren't fully 100% in it. Today at 6:52 PM Sheldon: Could do like Admin-Hub... slow and steady, trying to follow the traditional layout and look of TAZ.... Today at 6:51 PM Sheldon: Could do like AdminsZone.... just hope people post, even though for some reason @Cloaked won't go at it 100% Today at 6:51 PM Sheldon: Could do life TAC, throw as much random shit together as fast as possible.... Today at 6:50 PM Sheldon: One Admin is notorious for that.... eh, Lee /Lisa/ whatever the piss you go by? Today at 6:50 PM Sheldon: You can follow TAZ lead, start something, get to 60%, stop, and hope no one notices.... Today at 6:49 PM Sheldon: You'll continue to lose to social media. Facebook, reddit, Twitter.... not necessarily in that order. Today at 6:48 PM Sheldon: You'll never get excitement, nor the "new" users with the same old same. Today at 6:47 PM Sheldon: More proof you say? Ok, Morganna goes to each one, they all die. Today at 6:46 PM Sheldon: Need proof? Look at the Admin sites. They are duplicates of each other. Same setup, same structure, etc. Today at 6:46 PM Sheldon: Why isn't anyone willing to take chances? The same shit over and over is stale. Today at 6:45 PM Sheldon: I know, for fact, I could come up with something a bit better for an admin forum. Today at 6:42 PM Sheldon: The entire concept is unoriginal. Today at 6:42 PM SneakyDave: Does seem like a lot of duplicate topics. Today at 6:40 PM Sheldon: I'd be ashamed. Today at 6:06 PM Sheldon: Is creativity that dead? Holy shit. Today at 6:06 PM Sheldon: "TAC: Where Creativity Oozes" Quote "I wonder if wife Susie knows about the vile crap he posts on his site and how it fits in with her "youth ministry"?" - Dr. Howard Rosenzweig, former owner of TheAdminZone
Administrators Cloaked Posted June 30, 2016 Administrators Posted June 30, 2016 I agree with each and every word. I've been saying much the same for a few years. Forums need to evolve. The reason I haven't put my heart and soul into Admins Zone is because I am looking at other options. I like Discourse and I also like Flarum. I am probably going to restart and dive head on into it with something new. At this point I am not sure which way I'm going. I do know that the sites time on xenforo is going to come to an end. Quote Forum² - For Forum Enthusiasts SEO Help - Search Engine Optimization Forum
Sheldon Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 I like Discourse and I also like Flarum. I am probably going to restart and dive head on into it with something new. Flarum. Quote
Sandyman Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 Flarum Negative, ghost rider. Flarum has decent eye candy, but that is about it. It lacks scale (redis, memcached, etc), still does not have a PM system, and development is just too slow. Eye candy, yes, features/functionality/scale, nope. Discourse is Flarum without the initial eye candy, but easily skinable, it has all the features and more, and has 100+ active contributors, etc. The 'knock' against Discourse and Flarum from forum admins, is mainly they are too stupid to install it. Most forum admins get lost when you remove them from the cPanel interface, which technically means they shouldn't be running admin forums, since they aren't admins really, they are forum posters, maybe moderators at best. Don't take this as a dig against Flarum, but if you compare Flarum and Discourse, which are both the future, Flarum is just way way behind and it'll be hard to catch up when you chase someone like Jeff and team @ Discourse. Many people don't like his (Jeff) arrogance, I love it! Quote Donald Trump is living RENT FREE in Tracy Perry/One-Up's head
Sheldon Posted July 1, 2016 Posted July 1, 2016 I'll read up on Discourse. After a quick look, seems they both look the same. Sure they both have their own issues to overcome, etc. Might just have to try it out. 1 Quote
Administrators Cloaked Posted July 1, 2016 Administrators Posted July 1, 2016 I had a Discourse test site up for a long time. I was going to migrate my tech site. I got busy and never completed the migration. I could easily spin up a VM and get a test site up and running in a few minutes. In fact look for Admins Zone to have Discourse running soon. 1 Quote Forum² - For Forum Enthusiasts SEO Help - Search Engine Optimization Forum
Scrotnig Posted July 2, 2016 Posted July 2, 2016 I agree with with most of Sheldon's remarks, but Flarum / Discourse etc are not the solution. The solution is forum admins and moderators need to stop acting like personal censors and just let things flow. And stop banning 'controversial' posters. And stop assuming any opinion different to your own is 'troublemaking'. The software platform is not the problem, nor is it the solution, Quote "GRIMM is a GAY LORD. And I don't talk to GAYS!" - Gary Thomas Bolton, 2002
Sheldon Posted July 2, 2016 Posted July 2, 2016 The solution is forum admins and moderators need to stop acting like personal censors and just let things flow. And stop banning 'controversial' posters. And stop assuming any opinion different to your own is 'troublemaking'. Agree. Many people are tired of those who think they have some kind of magical, mystical powers. I've seen too many who get a level above a regular member and feel as though everyone is now suddenly beneath them. Need an example.... TAZ I seriously don't think any site needs more than one Admin. I think moderators aren't even needed. Those days are over. The only reason those positions are given out anymore is to boost activity. I still think the old school "forum" look, feel, and layout plays a part. Software doesn't necessarily matter as much, I think it's mainly how it's presented. Quote
Sheldon Posted July 2, 2016 Posted July 2, 2016 Another example.... Chat alert question at TAZ, now closed. At least it was getting replies, but seeing as how they were mostly talking about what a ghost town TAZ had become, the conversation got locked. Quote
Sheldon Posted July 2, 2016 Posted July 2, 2016 Heres the TL;DR version: Creativity is dead. Grow a pair, quit being a follower. Quote
SneakyDave Posted July 2, 2016 Author Posted July 2, 2016 If you look at TAZ and see the threads of forum owners requesting moderators and administrators, 99% of those requests are new forums. Moderator positions should, if needed, be earned, not just given to anybody that joins your forum and days hello. Isn't that just basic forum admin 101 stuff? #youredoingitwrong Quote "I wonder if wife Susie knows about the vile crap he posts on his site and how it fits in with her "youth ministry"?" - Dr. Howard Rosenzweig, former owner of TheAdminZone
Scrotnig Posted July 2, 2016 Posted July 2, 2016 I mentioned this before, but AdminAddict was getting very busy back in 2009, most of it was about vBulletin 4 and was the first real example of 'vB Drama'. Then the owner decided he didn't want vB Drama posts, so he deleted them all and banned such discussion. The site was dead and abandoned within weeks. A few years later, AdminExtra starts getting some vB Drama posts, and also some of the newer XF Drama posts due to the developers disappearing at the time. Things get pretty active. Then up pops Brad as a moderator, who decides he doesn't want this sort of thing, and proceeds to delete and close threads. The site was dead and abandoned within months. Then last year TAZ decided, first that it didn't want any pro-vB posts, nor any anti-XF posts (which was around the time they banned me), then latterly that they didn't want any vB Drama or XF Drama posts at all. Have a guess what is now happening to the site. My own site has continued to thrive precisely because we do not censor other than in extreme circumstances (such as illegal stuff or libel). Indeed, I am regularly insulted and abused on my own forum, as indeed Dave is here. Obviously, allowing abuse isn't going to suit every site, the issue is not so much allowing abuse but stopping the pointless biased censorship and heavy handed policing that is now typical of most forums on the internet. That is why so many people prefer Facebook and Twitter nowadays (both of which I despise incidentally). Quote "GRIMM is a GAY LORD. And I don't talk to GAYS!" - Gary Thomas Bolton, 2002
Scrotnig Posted July 2, 2016 Posted July 2, 2016 If you look at TAZ and see the threads of forum owners requesting moderators and administrators, 99% of those requests are new forums. Moderator positions should, if needed, be earned, not just given to anybody that joins your forum and days hello. Isn't that just basic forum admin 101 stuff? #youredoingitwrong I agree, and this has been a long standing issue. Related to it is sites offering moderator positions as a reward for high post count. Absolutely not the way to go. Start a site, and moderate it yourself. If it takes off...which most don't...then, and only then, consider appointing moderators, and only do it from within your existing user base. 1 Quote "GRIMM is a GAY LORD. And I don't talk to GAYS!" - Gary Thomas Bolton, 2002
Administrators Cloaked Posted July 2, 2016 Administrators Posted July 2, 2016 If you look at TAZ and see the threads of forum owners requesting moderators and administrators, 99% of those requests are new forums. Moderator positions should, if needed, be earned, not just given to anybody that joins your forum and days hello. Isn't that just basic forum admin 101 stuff? #youredoingitwrong I happened on a new site today. It had 3 members and maybe 20 posts. The owner decided it was time to bring on staff so he promoted 1 of the users to admin. That is happening all too often. Quote Forum² - For Forum Enthusiasts SEO Help - Search Engine Optimization Forum
Sandyman Posted July 3, 2016 Posted July 3, 2016 I agree, and this has been a long standing issue. Related to it is sites offering moderator positions as a reward for high post count. Absolutely not the way to go. Start a site, and moderate it yourself. If it takes off...which most don't...then, and only then, consider appointing moderators, and only do it from within your existing user base. Mark, what "big board" do you run, I'd like to come visit it! Quote Donald Trump is living RENT FREE in Tracy Perry/One-Up's head
Paul Posted July 3, 2016 Posted July 3, 2016 Mark, what "big board" do you run, I'd like to come visit it! This is Mark's forum BC Forums . It has some impressive statistics for a general discussion forum. 1 Quote
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