Sheldon Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 Too bad GaryTard lives in the UK, otherwise it would be Sheldon and GaryTard 2024! I don't get it.... what's the joke? Quote
Guest Grim Reaper Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 Gary's like that bubbly toddler that ends up giving you a headache. Edit: didn't see Paul had already posted his rant above. Well aware of dumdums rant. I fully expected he would quote that entry and post it here. So what? He's just an attention seeker looking for anything that he can copy and use... that he thinks will get a rant back posted to him. He's an idiot, from the Bronx Quote
Sheldon Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 [ATTACH=full]2661._xfImport[/ATTACH] Hmmmm, strange. All about $. Quote
Sheldon Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 LOL You seriously quote tweeted that tool? Hahahahahaha. Typical. But it's really weird about nurses, who are supposed to be fact based, don't use fact based information for their choices. Perhaps they are using the fact based part about the survival rate of catching COVID. Why be forced to take a vaccine? Why can't they just have a choice in the matter? I doubt that many or the "nurses" who have quit or been terminated over not getting vaccinated are actually registered nurses. Most of them are probably CNA's or something with less education required. That is an ignorant assumption. She's been on the Ivermectin treatment regimen and just knew she was safe. That damn horse-dewormer... eh, Paul. So she had been taking it, and her symptoms are mild..... looks like a win. No need for the vaccine, the choice she made. There are anti-vaxxers on both sides of the aisle. It just so happens that a larger majority of them tend to lean to the right. You are so wrong. They aren't anti-vaxxers as you say. All they are wanting is the choice to take or not. Most do not care if others get it. It's the CHOICE part that is the issue, but yet it is always spun that they are "anti-vax". Either way, per the story above, now you gotta catch it to get your immune system up. How long before that will be mandated? And, gasp... if it is mandated, Tracy and Paul, you better be the first two in line at the COVID party. It's not hard to just let people make their own choice over taking the vaccine or not. I don't understand why anyone is on the side of forcing it. Quote
13511 Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 That damn horse-dewormer... eh, Paul. So she had been taking it, and her symptoms are mild..... looks like a win. No need for the vaccine, the choice she made. Actually her oxygen level has dropped drastically and her family is looking at her having to go into the hospital here if they can find an empty bed, if not they will have to ship her to another hospital. Much research is showing that people that have been exposed should still get the vaccine. The reason being is that they are finding those that caught the virus, about 20%-30% of them developed no antibodies. The "no-antibodies" results are much lower than that with the vaccine alone. COVID-19 natural immunity versus vaccination And no, I'm not wrong. There are plenty of polls and supporting evidence that Republicans are far and away the majority of the no vaccine members. Why do you think the majority of the heaviest hit states in the nation for cases and deaths trended Republican in 2020 and are ran by Republican governors and legislatures? Quote
Guest Grim Reaper Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 Tracy, you're "cherry picking" an article (that is not even a STUDY carried out) and from mainstream news media medical site. This is why people like you who took the vaccine live in denial of real Studies "done since" that shows the vaccinated are the ones getting the most breakthrough cases now, and studies carried since show you're far more likely to get reinfected with Covid than an unvaccinated person. Around 12x more likely! You're using vaccinated immunity now that only lasts a few months before it starts to wane. And you are aware that studies are showing that the vaccines stop the T Cells from working proper and the Spike Proteins from these vaccines can cross the brain barrier and they have no idea what that's going to mean for vaccinated people in the long-run. Answer me this Tracy. Why do we have more cases now of Covid in 2021 - than we did in 2020 when nobody was vaccinated at all? Why are all these high vaccinated countries now showing the highest rates of Covid infections? Quote
Paul Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 All about $. What costs more Sheldon, a covid vaccination shot or a two week stay in a hospital? Whatever amount of money you think someone is making by pushing vaccinations is going to be less than what has been spent on treating people who have caught the virus. “All about $” is the most asinine thing I’ve heard in a very long time. Quote
Sheldon Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 What costs more Sheldon, a covid vaccination shot or a two week stay in a hospital? That's not the comparison, nor is it my argument. Read. Please. Politicians are getting the money. That's why it's "all about $". No wonder you and Tracy struggle, you guys don't read. Quote
Sheldon Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 There are plenty of polls and supporting evidence that Republicans are far and away the majority of the no vaccine members. Again, failure to read. They are not "anti-vax". They want CHOICE. Not some weak ass mandate that means nothing (because it's not a fucking law). Quote
Paul Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 Politicians are getting the money. That's why it's "all about $". So the pharmaceutical companies are paying politicians to mandate the vaccine? Of course, why didn’t I see that? It makes perfect sense. Quote
Guest Grim Reaper Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 So the pharmaceutical companies are paying politicians to mandate the vaccine? Of course, why didn’t I see that? It makes perfect sense. Do you honesty think what is going on right now, bringing in all these Covid Passport measures trying to force people to take a jab or lose their job and income feels normal? I mean... kids don't need this jab yet their intent on sticking "what are" experimental vaccines into them with no long-term data still, that only come after 10 years have past. Look at the UK, at first they said jabbing kids was being done to stop the spread from them to older people (which was a crock) of an excuse used then with that. And now, after DELTA has shown that the vaccinated can catch and spread the virus just the same as an unvaccinated person - they moved the excuse on kids then saying, they wanted to jab them to keep them in school. They just move the goalpost excuses each time and any sane person can see what their doing and that it's not normal. There's something big bigger at play here Paul, forcing jabs on everyone over a virus that is 99.98 survival rate and is now even weaker with the Delta variant. You seem to have your head buried in the sand Paul. Just because you took the jab and the Covid Passport measures now don't affect you. Quote
Guest Grim Reaper Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 So the pharmaceutical companies are paying politicians to mandate the vaccine? Of course, why didn’t I see that? It makes perfect sense. Paul, you clearly have no idea how much these Pharma companies are making right now from these Covid jabs, if you think it's costing more to treat people in hospitals. You're like an Ostrich with your head buried in the sand. Raising it now and then just to spout something that you "quite clearly" have no idea about. Quote
Sheldon Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) So the pharmaceutical companies are paying politicians to mandate the vaccine? Of course, why didn’t I see that? It makes perfect sense. Are you trying to say that Big Pharma doesn't give money to politicians? That really makes sense. Of course they are. And politicians continue to beat the mandate drum and continually collect "campaign donations" from them. Every other industry gives money to politicians except drug manufacturers. (Big Tech....Facebook or Twitter for example, never contributed, right? ) You are dense. Edited October 15, 2021 by Sheldon Quote
Paul Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 No shit, Sheldon. Politicians aren’t protecting the 2nd amendment every time there’s a school shooting, they want to keep getting money from the NRA. Why does it bother you now? Quote
Sheldon Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 Where did I ever state it has only bothered me now. Perhaps you shouldn't assume a much as you do. Quote
Paul Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 So it bothers you that the NRA gives money to politicians? Quote
Sheldon Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 Any politician getting any money from outside groups irritates me. All sides. The power is definitely not with the people, it's with the money. That's the main issue with America's problems. Quote
Paul Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 @GaryTard there’s a whole section on Reddit that is dedicated to people like you https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/ Quote
Guest Grim Reaper Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 @PaulDumDum Laughs, so you use and read Reddit then. That explains a lot. Quote
Paul Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 @GaryTard why didn’t you tell “James” you stole that article? Olympic diving coach David Jenkins dead aged 31, but his death is surrounded in mystery – Global Pandemic Virus Quote
Guest PaulTard Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 Why are you always so angry for about what others do? Quote
13511 Posted October 16, 2021 Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) Tracy, you're "cherry picking" an article (that is not even a STUDY carried out) and from mainstream news media medical site. This is why people like you who took the vaccine live in denial of real Studies "done since" that shows the vaccinated are the ones getting the most breakthrough cases now, and studies carried since show you're far more likely to get reinfected with Covid than an unvaccinated person. Around 12x more likely! Feel pretty comfortable that they have their data based upon facts, especially when you consider that it is from Nebraska Medicine (actual medical providers and not a "mainstream news media medical site"). The problem you run into with the natural immunity is the probability of severe symptoms and/or death as a result to gain that natural immunity. Then you have the fact that a recent study showed that 36% of those that had COVID-19 developed no natural anti-bodies. Predictors of Nonseroconversion after SARS-CoV-2 Infection The vaccine lowers that impact of hospitalization and/or death noticeably (all studies have validated that). New CDC Study: Vaccination Offers Higher Protection than Previous COVID-19 Infection Media Statement Embargoed Until: Friday, August 6, 2021, 1:00 p.m. ET Contact: Media Relations (404) 639-3286 In today’s MMWR, a study of COVID-19 infections in Kentucky among people who were previously infected with SAR-CoV-2 shows that unvaccinated individuals are more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated after initially contracting the virus. These data further indicate that COVID-19 vaccines offer better protection than natural immunity alone and that vaccines, even after prior infection, help prevent reinfections. “If you have had COVID-19 before, please still get vaccinated,” said CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky. “This study shows you are twice as likely to get infected again if you are unvaccinated. Getting the vaccine is the best way to protect yourself and others around you, especially as the more contagious Delta variant spreads around the country.” The study of hundreds of Kentucky residents with previous infections through June 2021 found that those who were unvaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated. The findings suggest that among people who have had COVID-19 previously, getting fully vaccinated provides additional protection against reinfection. Additionally, a second publication from MMWR shows vaccines prevented COVID-19 related hospitalizations among the highest risk age groups. As cases, hospitalizations, and deaths rise, the data in today’s MMWR reinforce that COVID-19 vaccines are the best way to prevent COVID-19. COVID-19 vaccines remain safe and effective. They prevent severe illness, hospitalization, and death. Additionally, even among the uncommon cases of COVID-19 among the fully or partially vaccinated vaccines make people more likely to have a milder and shorter illness compared to those who are unvaccinated. CDC continues to recommend everyone 12 and older get vaccinated against COVID-19. Edited October 16, 2021 by 13511 Quote
13511 Posted October 16, 2021 Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) Answer me this Tracy. Why do we have more cases now of Covid in 2021 - than we did in 2020 when nobody was vaccinated at all? Why are all these high vaccinated countries now showing the highest rates of Covid infections? Any idiot knows that a vaccine is not 100% effective. What the vaccine is VERY good at is keeping your silly ass out of the hospital or the morgue. Compare number of cases of vaccinated to unvaccinated. Then further break that down by vaccinated and non-vaccinated that have been hospitalized and/or died. I think you will find that those that are vaccinated are in the LARGE minority of those ending up in the hospital or taking dirt naps. Edited October 16, 2021 by 13511 Quote
13511 Posted October 16, 2021 Posted October 16, 2021 Again, failure to read. They are not "anti-vax". They want CHOICE. Not some weak ass mandate that means nothing (because it's not a fucking law). No, they are absolutely REFUSING to take the vaccine, not that they want a "choice". That names them anti-vax, no matter what their reason is. Anti: opposed to or against Vaccine: a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease. Refuse: indicate or show that one is not willing to do something When one refuses a vaccine one is showing that you are against/opposed to (anti) said vaccine. Fits the bill perfectly. If you refuse the vaccine you are anti-vaccine by the very definitions given above. I don't really give a shit if it's because it's against your religion, against your personal philosophy or The Great Spaghetti Monster told you not to get it. It is still anti-vaccine as they are against it, otherwise they would have already voluntarily gotten it. NBC News poll on who has been vaccinated broken down by demographics: Democrats: 88 percent Independents: 60 percent Republicans: 55 percent Republicans who support Trump more than party: 46 percent Republicans who support party more than Trump: 62 percent As you can see by this poll, Republicans by far way are the minority, the subsets of the Republican Party is even more telling. Quote
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