Eight killed in Ohio gun rampage

[Paul]

I'm so tired of reading these stories. I'm not completely against gun ownership but I'm heading that way fast. Guns kill more people in this country every year than all acts of terrorism combined have, and we don't do a damned thing about it.

 

At least eight people have been killed in "execution-style killings" in four places near each other in rural Ohio.

 

It is believed the victims - five adults and two children - are from the same family, the state's attorney general said in a statement.

 

They were all shot to death but there have been no arrests and no "active shooter" situation.

 

More than a dozen officials from multiple agencies were sent to crime scenes in Piketon, south of Columbus.

 

A pastor at the scene said the violence may have been the result of a "domestic situation".

 

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[Sheldon]

What should be done Paul?

[Paul]

What should be done Paul?

We could make it a lot more difficult for people to get their hands on guns. We can try to change the mentality about guns in this country. Anything that try to do will be better than what we have been doing, which is nothing.

[Sheldon]

Mentality?

 

What exactly are you meaning?

[Paul]

Mentality?

 

What exactly are you meaning?

That it's cool to be a gangster, guns are the way to solve problems, you need a gun to protect yourself from the boogeyman, etc. I don't think there is another country anywhere in the world that loves guns more than we do in the United States.

[Sheldon]

I don't think that's the mentality for the majority. I think a few, possibly. I think the media feeds this fear more than anything.

[Paul]

I don't think that's the mentality for the majority. I think a few, possibly. I think the media feeds this fear more than anything.

Yeah, I have to agree with that. If it bleeds, it leads...

 

What bothers me is it seems that we (as a country) don't want to do anything about the problem. The gun laws we have now aren't working.

[Sheldon]

Exactly what do you think gun laws are going to change?

 

Laws and more laws only stop innocent and harmless people from having guns. Nothing more.

 

I suppose they could work like the drug laws did, right?

[Paul]

Laws and more laws only stop innocent and harmless people from having guns. Nothing more.

And the opposite of that is to have no laws, which lets everyone have them.

 

With the laws we have now:

 

A nut job was able to get a legally bought gun from his mother, and then kill her and 26 kids.

 

Two nut jobs were able to get legally bought firearms from their neighbor and kill 14 people in San Bernadino.

 

A nut job legally bought firearms and killed over 30 people at a university in Virginia.

 

And the list goes on. I'm sure the gun(s) used to kill the 8 people in Ohio were purchased legally at one time too.

[Sheldon]

So..... nut jobs.

 

They are going to get the gun regardless. By theft or any means necessary.

 

Banning guns isn't going to do anything. Certainly didn't work in France.

[Paul]

They are going to get the gun regardless. By theft or any means necessary.

I don't understand this. So we do nothing?

[Sheldon]

I'm not certain I understand what you think can be done.

[Paul]

We can stop selling large capacity magazines (thankfully already done here in New York), we can stop selling handguns to the general public, we can close any background check loopholes, etc. Anything we start doing will be better than what we have done, which again is nothing.

[Sheldon]

Why should I not be allowed to own a large capacity magazine type of weapon?

[SneakyDave]

The boston terrorists blew up people with rice cookers. Should those be banned too?

 

How does a country "make it tougher" to get guns? What are the qualifications going to be?

 

"Do you plan to kill anybody with this weapon? Yes or No"

[fool]

How many people are killed by rice cookers yearly?

I think we can start assessing the statistic from there.

 

I'm not anti-gun, I fully support everyone's right to bear arms.

But I don't support the use of them for daily life.

 

Should be accessible to all anytime.

Should only be used to defend the constitution.

 

Guns aren't rice cookers.

Guns are designed specifically to kill.

[fool]

I suppose they could work like the drug laws did, right?

We have to look at reality based upon factual statistic.

Is the drug war working all over the world? No, it just create a heap of narcostates.

Is the gun law working all over the world? It has shown success in several major countries.

[fool]

Banning guns isn't going to do anything. Certainly didn't work in France.

What happened in France is totally on a completely different level.

It was a state level organizational war where the civilian is the casualty, not death by mundane reasons like what we saw in Ohio.

In such war, arming the civilian certainly would just create more chaos.

But even when you add the terrorist act on the statistic, the death by firearms rate in France still fail in comparison to the US where there are more guns on the streets than there are people.

[Paul]

The boston terrorists blew up people with rice cookers. Should those be banned too?

To my knowledge, no one has ever reached for a rice cooker in a heated argument and blown their victim's brains out with it. I've never heard of anyone holding up a store with a rice cooker either.

 

Why is the answer always to do nothing? Isn't 30,000+ deaths every year a problem?

[fool]

To my knowledge, no one has ever reached for a rice cooker in a heated argument and blown their victim's brains out with it. I've never heard of anyone holding up a store with a rice cooker either.

[Paul]

LMAO, why the hell would anyone do that ^?

[SneakyDave]

Baby steps. Start with rice cookers. Eliminate the rice cooker threat with mental evaulations and tougher background checks, however that can happen.

 

Then once those provisions to eliminate the rice cooker threat have reduced violence, expand it into larger threats.

 

Problem solved

[Sheldon]

Seems legit.

[Paul]

Yesterday someone shot 5 people to death in Georgia and then killed himself. It hardly made the news.

[fool]

I saw an amazing news report;

Man who decapitated elderly woman found legally insane

If that was in 'murica, the guy would be long time dead!