Why I'm no longer a Republican and for banning guns

[Paul]

This sums it up pretty well US Senate rejects terror list gun sale restrictions - BBC News

 

The Senate voted down legislation that would have closed a gun show loophole and expanded background checks to cover private sales.

 

Also rejected were:

 

• A bill to ban suspects on terrorism watch lists from buying guns
  
• A bill (backed by the NRA) that would allow the US attorney general to delay a gun purchase by a known or suspected terrorist, but prosecutors would need to convince a judge of the would-be-buyer's connection to terrorism within three days
  
• A bill that would alert the FBI to terrorism suspects who have purchased a gun, without blocking the purchase outright
  

 

I wonder how long it will be before the next massacre.

[13511]

Part of the problem of the "watch list" - which is actually the no-fly list, is that there is no true rhyme nor reason on how you get on it... nor any notification that you ARE on it, nor the ability to find out if you ARE on it, nor a procedure that allows you to get off of it through court action.

 

Hey.. I got an idea.. how about we control immigration a little more tightly than just bringing folks in willy-nilly with piss-poor background checks that they do.

Also, how about let's enforce the laws that are already ON the books.

Edited June 21, 2016 by 13511

[SneakyDave]

I think we should have a secret, government controlled, voting list. People added to this list shouldn't be allowed to vote. You may or may not be on this list, and you will never know if you are, why, or how to get off this list.

 

That type of thing goes against everything "due process" means in the constitution.

[Guest ZAT (Zone Admin The)]

I think we should have a secret, government controlled, voting list. People added to this list shouldn't be allowed to vote. You may or may not be on this list, and you will never know if you are, why, or how to get off this list.

 

That type of thing goes against everything "due process" means in the constitution.

Is that "due" "dew" or "do do" process?

[Sheldon]

I'll never understand this "banning guns" horseshit.

 

If a criminal wants guns, they will get them. Same for a terrorist. Same for ANYONE.

 

Unless you stop making them, round up all others ever sold and destroy them, this banning guns dream is simply that.

[SneakyDave]

I don't understand how people can realize that it's impossible to curb drug use, yet think there's a way to halt gun use

[Digital Phoenix]

All i hear when people start whining guns should be banned, is blah blah blah.

 

Do you honestly think that the sicko that shoots a school or a nightclub up is going to care if guns are banned?

If he can't get one from a dealer he's gonna get one from the street.

 

And if by some miricle guns are banned and vanish from reputable dealers and the street. What then? There are other ways to kill someone.

 

I could quite easily pick up a kitchen knife right now and kill 50 people before anybody even realises what's happened.

 

The only reason these sick cunts use guns is because they are loud, cause panic and make a statement.

A knife is far more discrete.

[Paul]

Unless you stop making them, round up all others ever sold and destroy them, this banning guns dream is simply that.

That's exactly what should happen. It worked for Australia.

 

I don't understand how people can realize that it's impossible to curb drug use, yet think there's a way to halt gun use

It's not impossible to curb drug use, we just don't want to do it badly enough. How is it that there are so many other countries that don't have our drug and gun problems?

[Paul]

I could quite easily pick up a kitchen knife right now and kill 50 people before anybody even realises what's happened.

You have seen too many movies.

[Digital Phoenix]

You have seen too many movies.

 

And you are deluded if you think banning guns is going to fix anything.

[Paul]

And you are deluded if you think banning guns is going to fix anything.

When was the last time Australia had a mass shooting? It was before they banned guns in 1996.

[Guest ZAT (Zone Admin The)]

When was the last time Australia had a mass shooting? It was before they banned guns in 1996.

Guns where not banned here.

[Sheldon]

That's exactly what should happen. It worked for Australia.

 

So, there are zero gun deaths since 1996?

 

And no guns in Australia since 1996?

[Paul]

So, there are zero gun deaths since 1996?

There were 76% less gun deaths last year (2015) compared to the number of gun deaths in 1996.

[Sheldon]

If you delve deeply into the stats, they have dropped (gun homicides) at the same rate since 1996 as they were before.

 

Don't get hung up on the "mass shooting" thing....

[SneakyDave]

The Greatest Country On The Planet > Austraila.

[13511]

Unless you stop making them, round up all others ever sold and destroy them, this banning guns dream is simply that.

The ultimate goal is the total removal of all firearms from society with the only ones left being those under direct governmental control. Then they (those in power) don't have to fear the people - the people will have to fear them.

[1up]

It's not impossible to curb drug use, we just don't want to do it badly enough.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you don't know any drug users or dealers. We couldn't stop it if we tried. Certain types of people will huff gas directly from your car just because they can't handle reality. You going to take away all that medication doctors are passing out to the old folks while you're at it?

 

As for guns, just because there are crazy people doesn't mean I have to give up my rights.

[Paul]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you don't know any drug users or dealers. We couldn't stop it if we tried. Certain types of people will huff gas directly from your car just because they can't handle reality. You going to take away all that medication doctors are passing out to the old folks while you're at it?

 

As for guns, just because there are crazy people doesn't mean I have to give up my rights.

Why are there so many cities in other countries without the gun or drug issues we have in cities of similar size?

[1up]

Why are there so many cities in other countries without the gun or drug issues we have in cities of similar size?

 

Why do those cities need a police force armed to the teeth? Why does someone in the country side have to give up their rights because city dwellers are the scum of the Earth?

 

No compromise, the founding fathers weren't idiots. They owned cannons and weren't afraid of pointing them at anyone that tried to tell them how to live. Freedom isn't free and terrorism has always existed. The difference between someone like you and someone like me is simple: you're scared of the world and the people in it. I'm not scared of them, I've just accepted they're a few crazy ones mixed in there and I'm prepared to defend myself against them.

 

If you want a history lesson go read about what happens after the guns are taken from the general population of a country. Look up Stalin and Mao for a good read on the subject.

[Paul]

Funny, I don't feel the need to own a gun to protect myself and I'm the one who's "scared" :rolleyes:.

 

Ask an Australian if they feel oppressed by their government, they'll probably laugh at you.

[1up]

Funny, I don't feel the need to own a gun to protect myself and I'm the one who's "scared" :rolleyes:.

 

Ask an Australian if they feel oppressed by their government, they'll probably laugh at you.

 

Actually I know a few that do hate their own Government, it's just like everywhere else in the world you have people that don't agree with the Government they live under. Most of them don't live in the city and they own guns. Real poor example as a matter of fact...you think people turned in all their unregistered firearms? What planet do you live on again?

 

The "gun as a replacement for a dick" argument is tired and old but if thinking about my penis makes you feel better than by all means go ahead. If you're so eager to prove you're not scared go live somewhere without a military and police force. I choose not to put my faith in someone 15+ minutes away with a bad track record for begin on time.

 

Some reading for you:

 

Every Communist must grasp the truth; "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun." -- Mao Tse Tung

 

Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas. -- Stalin

 

The only real power comes out of a long rifle. -- Stalin

 

One man with a gun can control 100 without one. -- Lenin

 

War can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun. -- Mao Tse Tung

[SneakyDave]

Why are there so many cities in other countries without the gun or drug issues we have in cities of similar size?

You want to be like other countries and/or cities?

 

Which ones?

 

I don't want Murica to be Australia, the UK, or any other country

[Paul]

Actually I know a few that do hate their own Government, it's just like everywhere else in the world you have people that don't agree with the Government they live under. Most of them don't live in the city and they own guns. Real poor example as a matter of fact...you think people turned in all their unregistered firearms? What planet do you live on again?

 

The "gun as a replacement for a dick" argument is tired and old but if thinking about my penis makes you feel better than by all means go ahead. If you're so eager to prove you're not scared go live somewhere without a military and police force. I choose not to put my faith in someone 15+ minutes away with a bad track record for begin on time.

 

Some reading for you:

 

Guns, the opiate of the dumb-asses.

[13511]

Until you need one to save yourself or a loved one.

And yes, it happens more frequently than you think - it's just that the media doesn't want to publish stuff that goes against their mantra.