One of the most difficult video to watch.

Discussion in 'Master Debaters' started by fool, Dec 9, 2017.

  1. Apparently a jury of his peers disagreed so no, he didn't commit murder.
     
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  3. Nope, jury also found him not guilty. Whether you agree with it or not matters not - when a jury finds one not guilty of murder they didn't commit one (that was provable beyond a reasonable doubt).

    Now, both DID commit a homicide. But homicide also includes justifiable deaths (in the case of the officer as the jury apparently determined).

    From the case of Zarate, I was reasonably certain they would not get a murder conviction. The proving of the intentional aspect of the shooting was going to be the problem, especially if they had the evidence that it was a ricochet round that hit her. I don't know what their involuntary manslaughter charge (the code) consists of, but I do know that his negligent action would most likely have resulted in a conviction under Texas law for criminally negligent homicide.
     
  4. Didn't he fire 3 shots from the gun by stepping on it or something?
     
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  5. Didn't keep up with it closely, but think he was handling it and "it just fired". I think only one round discharged and it hit the concrete and ricocheted into her back.
     
  6. That's the way I understand what happened... that's what the illegal alien said happened. The guy should be in prison for a long f-ing time.
     
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  7. #8 tracy perry, Dec 10, 2017
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    As I said, I don't know what California's involuntary manslaughter statute requires to prove, but I do know that what happened would be covered under Texas negligent homicide statute. Do not know if California has anything similar.
    If so, the charge that they (the DA's office) pursued was really an overreach in the case.
    Sometimes bad shit happens to good people. Was Zarate an idiot? Most likely. But people watch TV/movies and think they know all about firearms and will not show them the respect that they really require. They (firearms) are simply tools... dangerous tools yes, but still tools. That's like blaming the wood chipper for ripping ones arm off when one was stupid enough to stick it inside when running.
     
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  8. So he's an illegal, and a felon, if I read that right. Since he was acquitted, why hasn't he been deported?
     
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  9. Feds are bringing their own charges against him currently from what I remember.
     
  10. The guy has already been deported 5 times and he keeps coming back. Throw his ass in prison and never let him out.
     
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  11. Oddly enough, and unrelated, but the cop did end up getting fired not long after for having "You're fucked" on his AR's dust cover
     
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  12. Actually that was one of the reasons... he also had performance related issues apparently.

    On a non-related note.... the shooting I was involved in resulted in me having to turn my duty weapon (self-purchased) over to our investigators to be sent to the lab for forensics.... and me having to go out and purchase another $800 pistol to temporarily replace it to carry on duty.
     
  13. Zareta should go to jail for criminally negligent manslaughter. He found a gun, recklessly touched it and resulted in the accidental death of another person.

    The pig cops who shot and the other one who gave conflicting orders should get either life or death penalty. This case is flat out murder. The victim family should appeal directly to the federal government and get a federal trial. No justice, no peace.

    I doubt these pigs can get away with this in Britain but then again British police aren't pigs.
     
  14. You going to be on the front lines shouting that... or hiding in the bathroom?
     
  15. He’s going to be hiding you know that.
     
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